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Pluto’s Final Act in Capricorn: Will We Reach Our Evolutionary Potential?
Join me as we explore Pluto's monumental final re-entry into Capricorn on this episode of Astrology Unbound. This powerful astrological event, with its themes of transformation, control, and rebirth, promises to leave a lasting impact on personal lives and global dynamics. Drawing from Pluto's mythological ties to Hades and Persephone, we'll uncover how this celestial shift influences everything from personal growth to societal structures.
Listen in as I illustrate the profound changes that Pluto can spark, particularly for those with dominant Pluto placements in their natal charts. Discover how these placements can lead to heightened intuition and investigative tendencies, often born from early life challenges. In this chapter, we dive deep into Pluto's cyclical nature of rebirth and transformation, showcasing how it empowers individuals to overcome adversity and help others realize their potential.
We also turn our gaze to the larger stage, examining Pluto's transit through Capricorn and its seismic impact on governments, institutions, and societal norms. From economic instability to political scandals, the transformative energy of Pluto forces a reevaluation of power dynamics and authority. As Pluto prepares to transition into Aquarius, we ponder the future of societal structures, questioning traditional models and considering the balance between working within existing systems and pushing for revolutionary change. Tune in to reflect on the power dynamics in your life and our shared societal journey, and prepare for the transformative road ahead.
Hey, there, it's Evan Nathaniel Grimm, and welcome to the latest episode of Astrology Unbound. Today, I will be helping you prepare for Pluto's final passage back into the sign of Capricorn until the year 2254, so most likely the final time in our lifetimes. Before I begin, though, be sure to check out my Substack newsletter for an in-depth breakdown of my predictions for the globe, my step-by-step manifestation guides for each full moon, intention-setting recommendations for new moons, educational content and more. I do have a free service through that, where you can access the key themes and highlights tied to major astrological events. However, I also have a paid service where you can access the horoscopes, the sign-by-sign predictions, and you also have access to a monthly Zoom call where you can ask me any questions and we can talk about the transits that are currently going on.
Speaker 1:So let's dive right into today's topic, and it's a monumental one. This is Pluto's final re-entry back into the sign of Capricorn in our lifetimes. Now, this is significant because Pluto, as the outermost planet, has a very long orbital cycle of 248 years, and it spends many, many years in a zodiac sign up to 30 years if it's in a sign like Taurus, or 16 years in this case with Capricorn. Now, the variance in the duration of its transit through each sign is because of its highly elliptical orbit and, of course, whether we're talking about something like 16 years or 30 years, we're covering a pretty long period of time relative to the other planets, and in this case, pluto entered Capricorn back in 2008. And so, you know, a lot has changed from 2008 until now, and so I will talk about not only its final retrograde in Capricorn, but I will also contextualize it with, you know, pluto's original entry into Capricorn in the cycle, some of the eclipses and other major transits since Pluto has been in Capricorn, and you know, I also give some predictions for how it will manifest for you and for the world. So I'm going to build up to this, I'm going to go through the sort of building blocks and start off by talking about Pluto as a planet, capricorn as a sign, and then I'll work my way to, you know, the actual themes of Pluto in Capricorn.
Speaker 1:So Pluto, actual themes of Pluto in Capricorn. So Pluto. What does Pluto represent? Well, here are the key concepts Pluto pertains to Power, control, undeniable change, destruction, reconstruction, the subconscious, the collective, unconscious, repression, total, absolute transformation. Total absolute transformation, extremes, obsessions, ruthlessness, secrets revealed and rebirth. So obviously that was a long list of themes. The themes that I think most astrologers go to right away, or I think the themes that people think of immediately, are the themes around rebirth and regeneration.
Speaker 1:So this is because, you know well, pluto represents the underworld. You know, among the myths attached to Pluto we do have the myth of Persephone and Hades. So Hades is the Greek version of Pluto and Hades is the god of the underworld. And in the mythology Pluto captures, or sorry, hades captures Persephone, brings her into the underworld. And you know, eventually Zeus commands that, you know, hades, free Persephone and bring her back to earth, because nothing is growing on earth while she's down in the underworld. But when she and when she comes back, you know we have, you know, the flowers blooming and blossoming. We have the, you know, birth of spring. But you know, because Hades tricked her into eating pomegranate seeds, she is, you know, commanded to go back down to the underworld for a few months each year, and those happen to be the months associated with winter.
Speaker 1:But you know, when we think about Hades and the mythology associated with Hades, you know the underworld can represent, you know, when we think about Hades and the mythology associated with Hades. You know the underworld can represent. You know that place where you know the souls migrate to, or it's the place where the dead travel to. But you know, like we see with the case of Persephone, it's also there is this concept of like going down into the underworld and then returning, you know, in a completely different sort of setting or context, and I think we all have to go down into our own version of that, our own underworld, and face our shadows, face our fears, face our subconscious, and you know, ultimately, what Pluto is meant to do, or what it's trying to do is it's trying to break down things that have nowhere left to grow or evolve, and so you know we all deal with that.
Speaker 1:There are always elements of our lives that you know run into sort of a wall. You know, whether that be our job trajectory, our careers, our relationships, our own self-development, you know we get locked into certain habits or cycles and eventually we realize that something has run its course in our lives, and so we have to go through, oftentimes, a metaphorical trip into that darkness and have that dark night of the soul and either start to work with our own energy differently or even sometimes go into that darkness, to retrieve a part of ourselves that was once lost. And you know, pluto ultimately is working with existing materials. So energy is neither created nor destroyed, it is merely transformed. So that's what Pluto is doing it's taking the raw materials and reassembling them and creating something hopefully more resilient and stronger.
Speaker 1:So when you experience a Pluto transit, a major Pluto transit in your birth chart, what happens is you may experience something that feels like a death, it feels like an ending, it feels like a complete destruction or raising to the ground of something that you once, you know, felt was completely structured. But as you emerge out of that Pluto transit, you, you know, rise from the ashes, the proverbial ashes, and you take on a new form, or you take, you adopt a new look, you adopt a new name, you come back. It's almost like a type of resurrection, right, like, if you think about Lord of the Rings, when Gandalf the Grey is plunged into darkness and fighting the Balrog and then he comes back as Gandalf the White, like that is the sort of regeneration process with Pluto. And you know, there are, of course, other meanings here, so I went through, for example, power.
Speaker 1:Pluto is associated with power and obsessions, so Pluto can also, you know, pertain to things that we are hyper fixated on, that we are, you know, really again obsessed with, or areas in our lives where we're fighting or vying for power, or vying for control and domination over someone, or someone is trying to dominate us, or we are fighting back against, let's say, an oppressive institution. Or sometimes, you know, you may be the person who is ruthless or overly, again, obsessed with the power that you hold, but ultimately what happens here is like Pluto brings something to an extreme. It brings something to an extreme until it has nowhere left to go or grow, and so at a certain point, it has to fall down, it has to be again deconstructed and then reconstructed, and you experience this with, for example, empires. Many countries have had Pluto returns, and actually the United States is having one right now, which will be partly the topic of today. But many, many empires have gone through complete, you know, rebirths or transitions approximately over the cycle of 250 years.
Speaker 1:Now, this doesn't mean that, you know, obviously there are many countries that are older than 250 years. So it's not that a Pluto return is the death knell for a nation, but it does mean that the nation cannot continue to kind of embrace, the same sort of way of life. I mean it has to move forward through, you know. It has to move forward with a new sort of energy. It almost does have to take on a new identity. It doesn't necessarily mean that the name of the country has to change or anything like that, but there is some kind of again, massive rebirth or transformation that goes on.
Speaker 1:I think that we all feel that in some ways right now, which once I bring in Capricorn I think it'll make more sense. But right now, I'm sure there are many aspects of the world around you. You look around and you're like well, how is this sustainable at this point? Or how can we maintain a system this corrupt or this top-heavy or this concentrated among the powerful? And those are all legitimate questions and those are things that Pluto is meant to, I think, excavate and expose right now.
Speaker 1:But also, pluto does represent the collective unconscious. So whenever Pluto is in a certain zodiac sign, it sort of steers the collective unconscious in a certain direction and we all sort of take on a certain set of I would call them urges, like we have a certain urge to do something or to accomplish a certain goal or to behave in a certain way while Pluto is in a certain sign. So, for example, I mean just to start to bring in Capricorn here Pluto in Capricorn has created for the last 16 years an urge to coalesce around a set of let look to corporations almost as caregivers or parents. It has brought about a collective urge to, you know, centralize, to corporatize, monetize, systematize, yeah, codify. I mean. You know you get the gist of it, but we have had this sort of again, even if it's not meant to be conscious. So you may not even agree that you hold these sorts of urges, but if you actually look at your life, you probably are abiding by some of these patterns of behavior. You're probably mimicking some of these things insofar as, let's say, you have a LinkedIn or you, you know, willingly support certain corporations without even necessarily knowing it. Or you know, maybe you have worked at a very like a large-scale institution for the last 10 years and you know you've enjoyed the perks of being at that company. These are Capricornian sorts of activities and with Pluto again being in Capricorn, it almost sort of like wiggles its way into our subconscious minds until we are all. I think I mean to use a cliche like we are all part of some type of matrix, just because it is pervasive in a way, but also because you know, we do live in a world where the powerful continue to concentrate power and continue to design the sort of system in a way that preserves their power. So that's been sort of our reality since Pluto has been in Capricorn.
Speaker 1:But I want to start to discuss Capricorn and I guess before I do I should really mention one more thing with Pluto. Fundamentally, what Pluto is trying to do is trying to drive our soul's evolution, though Pluto is the higher octave of Mars. So Mars is the urge of the physical body to compete or survive or get things done or to yeah, I mean to fight, you know, et cetera. And with Pluto it's more about again evolving either, well, helping the collective evolve, but even at a personal level, like, literally, like your soul is meant to evolve. You know from where it was when you were born and you know oftentimes I've noticed in my research that not all the time, by the way, but like many times when people pass away, their progressed moon is opposing Pluto. It happens actually quite frequently. Now I'm not saying that any time that someone's progressed moon opposes Pluto, that it's some kind of harbinger of that. Because, you know, I say that because Pluto opposes the moon in the progress chart every, you know, 27.3 years or whatever the sidereal cycle of the moon is. But when people pass, oftentimes the progressed moon does happen to be opposing Pluto and you know, at first I was kind of scratching my head trying to figure out okay, why is that? And you know, theoretically you could argue that maybe that person who passes in that context of the progressed moon opposing Pluto, maybe they have reached a sort of a maximum or a peak in their evolution in this lifetime and they've chosen to stop evolving. Or maybe they just have reached their evolutionary potential in this lifetime Because we all incarnate as a soul within a body that is trying to go through the school of life to learn certain lessons, to overcome certain challenges and to survive against all odds.
Speaker 1:And every time we go through a trial or tribulation we have to again go into that dark tunnel. We have to face our shadows, face our fears and come to a conclusion about what needs to be discarded and what needs to be reworked and what needs to be reconstructed. So it's like we all reach those points in our lives where we come to understand that this behavior is not sustainable, or you know that we want to change absolutely everything about our life or our identity. I mean even I went through that as a Scorpio, sun conjunct Pluto, moon conjunct Pluto Like if anyone understands the energy of Pluto, I mean it's a Scorpio, especially from the you know, early 90s when Pluto was in Scorpio.
Speaker 1:And I've gone through a couple moments in my life where I've changed essentially everything, and I think the most dramatic transition for me was going from, you know, data analyst and consultant in New York to astrologer in LA. Like essentially everything about my life changed my friends, my, I would say like my look, my vibe, you know my sort of online identity, like everything. Pretty much everything changed my significant relationships, my relationship to my family and, you know, I've taken on. I almost feel like I have like a new lease on life, though since that moment it's almost like I reset the clock to zero and so that's kind of a plutonic experience. But if you look at you know Pluto transits in your chart, or if you look at someone like me who has a plutonic sort of personality, it's like we sort of obsess over something. While we're in it, we go all in and then suddenly we catalyze a transformation and then everything changes.
Speaker 1:You know, and that's actually that's what I tell clients a lot when they have, like, a dominant Pluto placement. I talk about how you know, and we're just going to do it. I just go all in on the themes of Pluto here. I was going to go into Capricorn right away, but I think we should really just like bake this, you know, and really make sure that we're understanding Pluto here because, like Pluto of course is a very complex, has a complex sort of mosaic of meanings, because Pluto of course has a complex sort of mosaic of meanings.
Speaker 1:So if you actually look at, let's say, someone with Pluto on their ascendant or conjunct, their sun or a chart angle or whatnot, anyone with a dominant Pluto placement, a lot of people with Pluto placements, like dominant Pluto placements, are very, very psychic, intuitive. They can really tap into the subconscious of other people and almost read their minds. And I just like, based on my research, like oftentimes, what I find is people with heavy Pluto placements are so highly psychic or investigative because there were elements of their early life that maybe were traumatic or unsafe or they had reasons to feel like they weren't secure or there wasn't stability. And so it's almost like people with heavy Pluto placements develop almost psychic instincts in reaction to that unpredictable environment or to that harrowing environment or that traumatic environment. And so plutonic people are almost on a quest to excavate and unearth and disinter all these hidden aspects of society, whether it is the subconscious mind of someone else, the balance sheet of a company or the inner workings of the body, if they're a surgeon, or the back channel dealings of powerful people, if they're a investigative journalist. And so plutonic people are trying to excavate all things hidden. They're trying to find something out and and like really decipher the subtext of something to read between the lines. And again it's in reaction, I would argue it's in reaction to something out and like really decipher the subtext of something to read between the lines. And again it's in reaction, I would argue it's in reaction to a very intense situation or environment in their early life. And so platonic people oftentimes have to again go into their own underworld, investigate their own psyche, their own subconscious. Eventually and that's the irony, by the way Platonic people can be so good at having x-ray vision and just like seeing everything about somebody, but they oftentimes fail to look into themselves. But when they do and they apply that sort of x-ray vision, you know, eventually they uncover the thing that has been driving either their anxiety or their obsessiveness or their OCD or whatever it is, or their addictions, and eventually, when they find the root of that trauma, they uproot it, they pull it out and they catalyze a transformation. Now, obviously, the healing journey lasts a lifetime and again, it's an ongoing process.
Speaker 1:But plutonic individuals all go through these sort of periodic, total, absolute rebirths where they realize that a certain mode of behavior is no longer tenable. And then eventually, as they go through that dark night of the soul and they come back stronger, they start to advocate for the underdog in the world. They oftentimes fight to empower rather than trying to take power away from people or fight for power. They try to give other people power and help them tap into their own power. But before that plutonic transition or the transformation, sometimes Pluto-dominant people can be very controlling and very non-spontaneous and very neurotic because they're trying to vie for control of their external world, because they don't have control inside. But again, after they go through that release and that detachment, which is really what Pluto well, partly what Pluto is, you know is the detachment from things and, you know, letting go of those fixations or obsessions. Eventually Plutonic people develop that they start to harness those psychic gifts and they start to show people their true potential and help people evolve at a soul level. And so that is partly why Pluto is the higher octave of Mars, like we're really talking about not just surviving and, you know, fighting for survival. It's like, no, we're actually trying to uplift, in a way, the collective and try to get them closer to their soul's evolutionary potential or to get the collective towards its evolutionary potential. And so, ironically, plutonic people go from being the most sometimes self-obsessed and power-hungry to the most empowering people.
Speaker 1:And to apply this to my own life, I know I mentioned earlier I have a San Pluto conjunction, obsessed with having the process be a certain way, whether that is something academic or music related. I mean I remember just to talk about myself as a musician for a second. I remember when I was so sort of dogmatic and unwavering about the songwriting process. It was like anyone who was in a band with me would feel suffocated because I had like the song had to, like you know, had to be constructed exactly as I wanted. But as I've gone through life, you know, and started to, you know, trade in certain habits like drinking for meditation and like breath work. It's like really helped me, let go of certain fears and anxieties. And now it's like I focus my efforts towards others and I focus on helping people and doing readings for people and I really see myself as again someone who is trying to deliver, you know well, to really bring someone their power and show them their power so that they can go out there or experience that transformation, maybe after the reading or during the reading, and go out and be their resilient self.
Speaker 1:So you know that's a huge element of Pluto and you know, of course, there's so much else. You know there's so many other things, like in my own research I've found that Pluto moon aspects and Pluto sun aspects, specifically heart aspects, oftentimes will indicate that someone in the family is adopted, whether it's you or your parent or your grandparent, and so, anyways, there's so many other things with Pluto, including, by the way, pluto does rule over procreation and if you think about the themes I've already discussed, like Pluto is bringing life, you know it's creating a life out of the sort of raw materials. So naturally, of course, pluto would not just be a regeneration of, like your identity. Pluto literally rules over procreation, which is the survival of the human species. So you know, pluto literally helps us extend. You know, like all of humanity, it helps us extend towards our destiny and carry on. You know our genetics. So you know Pluto does deal with survival in that way and you know there's an alchemization, of course, associated with the creation of a life. Anyways, that was a more in-depth rundown of Pluto than I anticipated, but I think that you know that was, of course, necessary to you know, really, I think, to delineate just the sheer scale of importance of this transit.
Speaker 1:Now, quickly, I'll talk about Capricorn, the sign that Pluto's transiting for the final time in our lifetimes. Capricorn is the 10th zodiac sign, it's a cardinal earth sign and the key concepts here are obedience, compliance, delayed gratification, responsibilities, accomplishments, incremental progress, self-consciousness, deference, legacies, awareness of mortality and limited time and career. So Capricorn is ruled by Saturn and Capricorns will take their time. They have a long-term mission, they have a long-term goal and it's like, how do they get there? They delay gratification, they don't lose sight of their responsibilities and they oftentimes mold themselves into the image of a role model or an influencer or an authority figure or a parent. So you know Capricorns will have a certain sort of no-nonsense attitude and you know Capricorn is the seagoat climbing to the top of the mountain. And you know Capricornian individuals will feel a lot of outside pressure to either carry on a legacy or again to imitate a parent, or you know someone in the family, and you know Capricorn deals with wisdom, the wisdom that we gain with experience and with time.
Speaker 1:Now, I think, most relevant to Pluto's transit here Capricorn also rules over, like governments, institutions, hierarchies, centralized systems, and so you know, whenever Pluto transits a sign, you have to apply the key concepts I already talked about. But you know, just to kind of explain the actual transit of a transit of Pluto, you know it's really going to force that sign to work differently. I mean it's going to basically dig into every aspect of that sign, including the shadow sides, including the dark underbelly of that sign, and it will either expose areas of either corruption or misuse of power within that sign and will force us to again alchemize and evolve that sign's energy so that we can propel forward as souls within bodies. I mean again, like we are ultimately trying to reach an evolutionary point in this lifetime to set ourselves up for an even better, you know, next incarnation. And along the way we have to break things down and rebuild, so, you know, so that we become more conscious of that science, energy and we become more conscious of, you know, how to wield that science, energy for the sake of our growth and evolution.
Speaker 1:So, with Pluto and Capricorn, we're talking about the misuse of power and the use of power. We're talking about power dynamics with authority figures. We're talking about the empowerment of massive institutions. We're talking about mergers and acquisitions. We're talking about, you know, governments or corporations or systems becoming so large that you know they're either top-heavy or they just can't be, they're almost impenetrable at that point, because, you know, you think about Saturn as like a rock-solid wall or like lead, and like Pluto is almost intensifying that.
Speaker 1:So Pluto and Capricorn can also be our own attachments to certain role models and, again, our power struggles with authority figures. It can pertain to our obsession with social status, because Capricorn really is about what we put on our name tag, so to speak. So when you go to, like a networking event or a function, it's like oh, who are you? You say, oh, my name is Evan, okay, but like, what do you do? Who are you in the world? That's a Capricorn question. So I would say, oh, my name is Evan. Okay, but what do you do? Who are you in the world? That's a Capricorn question. So I would say, well, I used to be a data analyst, but now I'm an astrologer, I'm also a musician, I'm a blah, blah, blah. Or you might say I'm a parent, or I'm a grandson, or I'm a son.
Speaker 1:Capricorn is about contextualizing our identities in the well, it's a social context. It's a social contextualization of our identities. Pluto and Capricorn, though, is also exposing corruption within those institutions. In addition to dealing with the overbearing nature of those institutions, it is also about the corporatization, the monetization, the systematization, the codification and the centralization of everything, which, I think you can agree. That is what happens. Like you have, you know, massive asset management companies owning, you know, individual homes in the US. You have you know, every minute, every second of your time is seemingly monetized. Every time you open your phone and you try to watch something or engage with content, there's some kind of ad attached to it. It also with Pluto, and Capricorn deals with the corporation as a parent, because Capricorn is parents and authority figures, and Pluto almost intensifies that drive to outsource things to some kind of parental figure.
Speaker 1:So in our society, in a lot of ways we have, I think, outsourced our responsibilities and our power to outside institutions, institutions. So, like you have companies saying oh don't worry, if this happens to you, we'll take care of it. Or don't worry if you know. Well, don't worry if your you know, door hinge, breaks or falls off, we'll take care of it. Don't worry, if you get into a car accident, you're covered, we'll take care of it. You know, don't worry if you lose your job. Like we have insurance for that.
Speaker 1:And I'm not like trying to apply any, like I'm not trying to qualify all of these things as like positive or negative, but I'm just saying that you know, ultimately we live in this world where, like our parents who raised us, like yes, they played a role, but like we've kind of formalized a lot of things in our society to a point where it's kind of like we're being parented and watched over by someone or some institution at all times. And obviously you I don't have to like fill in the blanks there. I mean you can point to many examples where that happens. And also, though, during this Pluto and Capricorn era. It almost it kind of does feel like everybody has, like we all have helicopter parents in some respect, like even if you didn't, you know, grow up with any helicopter parents. Like you know, I had a pretty like laissez-faire, you know, sort of childhood in a lot of ways, which I'm really lucky, you know, I'm really lucky to have that. But, you know, going to being a city kid who went to a suburban high school, it's like I noticed that there were a lot of helicopter parents in that environment of suburban Minneapolis and you know, this was back in the 90s and early 2000s.
Speaker 1:But I think that it's metastasized into our everyday life, like in our society, in the public sphere. It's like we have, you know, we do kind of live in this nanny state. It's like we have, we do kind of live in this nanny state. We do live in this world where everything is well. Again, in some ways, it's like everything is covered and there's sort of like some sort of action plan for everything. There is some kind of coverage or insurance or safety net for everything.
Speaker 1:Other contexts with Pluto and Capricorn where, you know, there's not just convoluted bureaucracies but there is also like surveillance and scrutinizing of everything we do, and it seems like there could be almost like punishments for any possible thing that someone would do that deviates from the social norm which, again, like I've talked about in other podcast episodes, the social contract is important, it's an important concept to uphold. You know we do exchange, you know we trade freedom in exchange for safety, like that's how the social contract works. But I do think that at a certain point it's like the parental impulse to chaperone every situation. It has seeped into every nook and cranny of our world. And you know, I think that and the sort of theme though out of I know I just kind of listed a hodgepodge of themes, but I think the theme that people would resonate with the most is the sort of top-heavy, stratified society that we live in. So it's like, even though we live in this sharing economy where anybody could theoretically maybe rent a portion of a yacht for two hours or something and pretend to be living large and wealthy, the bottom line is the powerful continue to accumulate more power. I mean, you think about the stock market is completely detached from reality. It just keeps going up and up. We have the powerful playing around with money and making more money and designing the system through lobbying or through politics, designing the system in a way that just preserves their power. And we also have witnessed throughout the past 16 years how you know the powerful sometimes like sort of co-mingle in problematic ways or they have, you know, a certain in with a certain politician or something, anyways. But the point is like we've seen corruption and evidence of it, you know, all over the place.
Speaker 1:But I think that as Pluto goes back into Capricorn here in the fall season, we have to like I think what we're going to see is some kind of rehash of maybe not 2008. Like, I'm not saying it's a great recession again, but you know there are many, many factors behind the Great Recession, but I do think one of them was just plain and simple, corruption and a system trying to preserve itself, a system that is allowing people to continue to accumulate capital or to accumulate wealth. And there are, of course, like many Ponzi schemes associated with that time period, like the Bernie Madoff scandal and whatnot. So you know that really set the tone for the Pluto and Capricorn era. The Great Recession aligns with Pluto's entry into Capricorn back in 2008. So what's also kind of telling is that when Pluto first reached the final degree of Capricorn in early March 2023, we did have a regional banking crisis in the United States, most notably, with Silicon Valley Bank failing and a number of other banks. It did not actually translate to a system-wide meltdown or anything, but I do think that that is a significant data point. And then Pluto went back into Capricorn late June 2023, shortly thereafter it reached 29 Cap this past January and again it will do so for the final time this September through November.
Speaker 1:So, if you look at that obvious theme of, like the economy, the state of the economy, you know, at the moment the main headwinds are, you know, inflation and, uh, you know I, you know ai, ai consuming and devouring jobs that were once there. We have the specter of like potential war or global conflict. Of course, that would have an effect on the economy, but, like I said on my YouTube video the other day, it's like very difficult as an astrologer to, you know, actually predict where the economy is going. I think that's just way too complex. I think that again, there's so many factors like well, like the fact that again the actual like the, the stock market, it doesn't seem to always reflect, um, you know the news or any like unemployment numbers, because it just feels like the market just continues to rise, because, you know, wealthy people put their money into the stock market in order to continue to build wealth and, I don't know, maybe they've decided that just optimism can kind of carry it forward. That's not to say that the market is, you know, indestructible, but, you know, again, it seems to just continue to go up at the moment.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, I do think that Pluto returning to Capricorn at that aneretic degree and the aneretic degree in astrology is a critical degree, and it can denote chaos, unruliness, it just sort of destabilizes the planet in that sign. So, yeah, I think that there could be some cracks exposed in the economy during this time. To cover some of the other themes I mentioned, though, we might witness some sort of scandal or corruption within the government or within some sort of industry. We may notice, you know how, maybe certain corporations are, you know, again, dealing in the shadows in a problematic way, or they are rigging the system in some way, or they're monopolizing a certain industry, or, you know, there's some kind of nefarious activity within a certain industry or corporation. So we could witness that productivity within a certain industry or corporation. So we could witness that.
Speaker 1:But you know, ultimately with Pluto you know at the 29th degree here, like the US is dealing with the Pluto return and I think that that probably will spell drama in the US election and I think that people are taking a good hard look at the system itself and like what is decrepit and what is sort of holding us back. So again, with Pluto being our evolution, it serves our evolution, we are all as a society thinking about, okay, what arrangements within the system are blocking our evolution. And whenever I post about this topic on like a TikTok or Instagram, I notice people discuss the Electoral College, for example. A lot of people believe that, you know, the Electoral College is not fair and that we should be going off of the popular vote to elect the president. You know, I do think that again, just to kind of like list out the global predictions here, to summarize, while Pluto's at the 29th degree this fall, I do think we could see some economic shocks, whether it's in the real estate market or inflation-related or tied to maybe a war or something like that, or drama around the election.
Speaker 1:We are continuing to see governmental transitions in certain nations, regime changes. I think that's definitely part of it. You know, empires, imperial powers, are being tested right now, like I said, the US is, you know, experiencing, I think, a lot of stagnation, through the two-party system, for example, and you know, through—we're still dealing with the ripple effects of Citizens United the Citizens United ruling and witnessing how money in politics, infusing money into politics, is also compromising the leaders, the representatives who are supposed to be representing us. And you know some other predictions here there could be some currency wars, like you know, a Hollywood production model. It's like, yeah, it doesn't really make any sense anymore.
Speaker 1:Like, if you are a talent and you are a talented entertainer or performer, it's like why not just go direct to your audience, direct to consumer? Why not just take out your phone and make social media content or engage with them directly through the internet in some other way? Right? And whereas, like the original format, the original model for entertaining people and getting talent in front of an audience, it involves, like tons of production assistants and managers and networks and cable TV systems and like cable channels that people don't really want. You know that's a perfect example, example of Pluto and Capricorn. It's like, why do we don't really want these types of cable packages anymore? That consumption model doesn't really make sense anymore. We want content on demand, we want a diversity of content, we want quicker hits. We want that sort of more agile content on demand. We want a diversity of content, we want quicker hits. We want that sort of more agile content delivery model.
Speaker 1:And if we go back to the banking industry, it's like are banks too big to fail? Do they have enough liquid assets on hand, you know, to cover any kind of like disastrous situation? So, like these are the types of questions that we're going to be asking during this final retrograde of Pluto into Capricorn. And so again, some of the key moments of Pluto in Capricorn well, its entry into Capricorn, so 2008,. It so 2008,. It really went back and forth out of Sag and into Capricorn in January, june and November of 2008. So think back to that time period. What were the themes in your life and how have you kind of reshaped yourself and your conception of society and power since then?
Speaker 1:No-transcript is just when the North and South Node were in Capricorn and Cancer. We had the actual eclipses at certain dates. But you know, go back to that time period and, you know, revisit, you know what were some of the major resets you went through at that time and you know I might as well just go through actually some of the actual eclipse dates. So you know, during that cycle we had a solar eclipse at 29 degrees of cancer, july 21st 2009,. A lunar partial eclipse at 10 degrees of cancer, december 31st 2009. We had an eclipse January 14th 2010, june 26th 2010, july 11th 2010, and January 4th 2011. So you know, based on that time range, in theory you were transforming the areas of your chart that are ruled by Cancer and Capricorn. Yeah, I would carefully reflect on those periods and think about. You know how? Did you maybe re-conceptualize your relationship to power or authority? Did you shift your career goals at that time? Because Capricorn deals with the career?
Speaker 1:The next cycle that I think really shaped our experience of Pluto and Capricorn was September through November of 2013. That's when the North Node was conjunct, saturn and Scorpio. Saturn rules Capricorn, pluto rules Scorpio, so there was like a mutual reception there and I don't know. I mean, at least for me, that was a really dark time, september through November 2013. I mean, I had just graduated college that spring and I was like I really I just I had a job lined up and I quit the job three weeks in and was sort of scrambling to like, move across the country and find a different job and try to go be with my you know ex-girlfriend at the time and my or my girlfriend at the time and my friends in New York, and it was just like um total, just total chaos, like I felt like I was like destroying part of my life and I had to rebuild. So I don't know like it may have held a special significance for me because I have a Scorpio stellium, but I still think the fall of 2013 probably was significant for a lot of you, so I would go back to that time because it may have dredged up some kind of hidden or subconscious materials that needed to be transmuted.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, december 19th 2017 to December 16th 2020, we had Saturn and Capricorn and we had these eclipses in Capricorn and Cancer, and I think that was the most significant stretch because it's like we had Saturn and Pluto co-present in Capricorn and that was arguably the most karmic time in this entire cycle. And April through October 2019 was arguably the most karmic moment because there was a conjunction between the south nodes, saturn and Pluto during that time, and so that probably broke apart a lot of your foundations and there were probably some really startling reality checks for you, but it could have also been like an inflection point in your maturation process. You know, some other times maybe April through May 2014 was significant for you. There was a Cardinal Grant cross at that moment, and even January 2015,. The lunar nodes squared Pluto and Capricorn and Uranus was conjunct the south node. You know. Think about January 2015,. The lunar nodes squared Pluto and Capricorn and Uranus was conjunct the south node. You know.
Speaker 1:Think about those dates, those timelines, so 2008, 2009 through 2011,. The fall of 2013, and 2017 through 2020. You know, go back to those times. Think about how you were transforming, think about how you were evolving, think about the dark nights of the soul that you may have gone through as well and you know now that Pluto's reaching that final degree for the final time, you know, reflect on how far you've come, reflect on how far you've grown and matured.
Speaker 1:Think about again those themes I mentioned of you know, like ask yourself the tough questions like how do you use power in your life? How do you allow people to hold power over you? Are you attached to the right role models? What sort of power dynamics do you have with authority figures? Are you obsessed with social status or not? Do you feel like you're aware of the corruption that goes on either at your own company you work for or the society that you're operating in? How do you feel about the institutions that you know dictate our reality, like? Do you feel like they're overbearing? Or maybe you don't.
Speaker 1:Maybe you feel like centralization is a good thing. How do you see what? Do you see the role of the corporation as being? You know, do you think that the company that you work for should sort of be, like also be the place where you socialize and the place where you play ping pong and the place where you basically live like? Or do you think a corporation? Do you want to change your relationship with your corporation? Do you want to take a more detached sort of approach to it? What are the areas where you outsource your sense of responsibility to someone else?
Speaker 1:Or to an insurance company, or to a corporation, or to a medical system, like you know? Do you feel like you have any sense of autonomy, or do you feel like you have control of or agency at this point? Or, you know, do you make your own decisions or do you leave that to the quote-unquote experts or to the system, and I'm not even it's not a rhetorical question, by the way. It's like do you do that and do you see that as a good or bad thing? But these are real legitimate questions to ask yourself right now, because I think, as Pluto goes into Aquarius and Uranus eventually goes into Gemini, it's like we're going to start moving even faster through innovation, innovation and through progress, and like the world's going to move at a really dizzying pace. So you know, I think that you should have a clear grasp of, like, who you want to become in the world. And again, like I talked about a few episodes ago, like are you? What type of excellence are you striving for and how are you? How are you getting there and how are you getting there?
Speaker 1:So don't be surprised if you start to see again examples of misuse of power, corruption at the top. Don't be surprised if you see political upheaval. Don't be surprised if you see an election that is very messy, which is happening, while Mars eventually stations retrograde opposite Pluto. You know, it feels like people are thirsting for change, yearning for change and ultimately trying to evolve individually but also help drive the evolution of society, and so it's like what does an evolved United States look like? What does an evolved society look like if you live outside the United States? So, like does the two-party system make any sense at this point? Is it helping us or is it stalling us? Should we take the money out of politics? Does the presidential election cycle have to be two years, or should it be abridged to help take the money out of politics? You know like that would. That would be arguably a really good place to start, um, so, so yeah, I mean again, the dates are september 1st through november 2024.
Speaker 1:But it's not just your average retrograde like. This is potentially the jenga set falling down, or this is potentially us rebuilding the Jenga set and maybe it'll look even better than it did before. You know, this is that final march of Pluto before it goes into Aquarius, before we start to really have a collective urge to individuate that's what Aquarius is all about or to collaborate with like-minded individuals. And obviously it's ebbing and flowing and oscillating between Capricorn and Aquarius right now. So we're already wanting to get into that Aquarian era where we cross-pollinate ideas, where we use the internet to distribute knowledge freely, to challenge ideologies, to challenge centralized powers, like that's where the pendulum's swinging towards, but while Pluto is retrograding Capricorn again. You know this should not be taken lightly.
Speaker 1:This is not, like you know, and I get comments about this all the time, like yeah, like take down the system, stick it to the man. It's like not that simple, right. Like this isn't about raising everything to the ground. This isn't about, just like you know, living free range with no responsibilities or no cares in the world and building the utopia. Like that's not how this works.
Speaker 1:It's like we have to work with the Capricornian system. We have to work with the limitations. We have to work with gravity. We have to work with Saturn. We have to work with physical reality. Like we need to uphold some kind of social contract and some kind of order. Like we need to uphold some kind of social contract and some kind of order. But can we fundamentally transform some of those systems so that you know that system delivers an outcome that oftentimes the public does not really feel represents their choice?
Speaker 1:Maybe the lobbying system is destroying the truthfulness and steadfastness and integrity of our political representatives. Maybe the whole two-party system and the polarity, the polarization that creates is the problem. Maybe the problem is that we've outsourced too much of our own personal responsibility to institutions. I mean you can make a really strong case for that, especially given the past few years, you know, the past few years when there were experts controlling every move and every step of our lives, when, you know, it was shown after the fact that maybe they didn't have a hold of all the answers, even though they pretended to. So Pluto and Capricorn has created this kind of toxic environment where it's like we have allowed this sort of helicopter parent mentality to again metastasize to a point where we just kind of like willingly accept whatever decrees the government has. I mean you could make a really strong case for that, like the government could just say something and then we all just stay inside for years. I mean we've reached that point. Stay inside for years. I mean we've reached that point.
Speaker 1:And Pluto and Capricorn does deal with, I think, the wielding of fear-mongering by institutions or legacy media. Mass media always does this every day. They leverage fear to keep your attention. The government leverages fear to maintain power over you. But brainstorm with your friends, your family, like what needs to be tweaked and optimized.
Speaker 1:Maybe you don't agree with me at all. Maybe you think that, like, we should always trust the experts. Maybe you think that, like, if someone is an elected official or they're working inside of a governmental agency, then clearly they have, like, the pedigree to like, dole out these decisions without question but, like, regardless of where you are on that spectrum of trust or distrust in these sort of mass institutions, surely we all agree that something has to give. I think there's a lot of solutions that we could all agree on. I think that we all agree that, again, the two-party system is not sustainable. For example, we probably all agree that money needs to be taken out of politics to some extent. We probably all agree that the election cycle is way too long in the us. There is probably a number of other things we all agree on, but anyways, with this final retrograde, we are reflecting on the transformation of these institutions that still has to be pushed through and rammed through before it finally leaves capricorn for the final time.
Speaker 1:So, anyways, I know this was a really dense episode. I know I covered a lot, you know. I hope that it resonated with you either way and I hope that you are welcoming and embracing this sort of, you know, this final push and this heralding of really a new era as Pluto goes into Aquarius. It's like what kind of society do you envision, what kind of society do you want to uphold, such that the Pluto and Aquarius era can be productive, where you know like, astrologically speaking, it's like you should probably want a structured society that facilitates collaboration and individuation and free thought, free speech and the free again sharing of ideas, because ultimately, my Mars Gemini and my Aquarius North Node wants that.
Speaker 1:I want everyone to feel empowered to share their truth and their version of what they see as being true, because you have strong intuition, right Like you have your own instincts and sometimes your intuition clashes with what you're seeing on television or what you're reading online. And if you are getting an intuitive download about something, you're foreseeing something or you're feeling something in your gut like, yeah, share that, share that online, share that with your, with your followers, share that with people, because your insights matter. Remember that. And do you want a world where you can still do that, where you can still post freely, or do you want a world where everything is restricted? If you actually interpret Pluto and Capricorn the way it's meant to be interpreted, that is the shadow side of it. It's again a heavy-handed system, top-down control system that does not allow you to express freely. That is the danger we face. So it's like get your opinions out there, collaborate with other individuals who are willing to challenge your ideas, core principles, and ideate on a vision for a system that will carry on that free expression. So, anyways, thank you so much.
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